OK feel like an idiot reading back over the posts. so without spoilers, I have 17 aka 4 hashes. thought I knew the format as hash-id said so, but trying to crack passwds nothing matches. tried online, wrote a python script comparing with hash(ry) etc. nothing matches hashes found. need a little nudge please. is the hash type one of the ones hash-id said… and hopefully no the hmac one… 
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ok got hash type (with help). now back to working out how I should have known it